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THE GOSPEL
How To Be Saved
Speaking To The Holy Spirit
Adapted from correspondence with a sister in Christ who was stumbled by teachings concerning the Spirit of God.
  - From  Robert DeWitt -
Dear sister in Christ:
    As to your question whether we should be speaking to the Holy Spirit, I will share some thoughts for you to pray about. I do not believe we should be trying to talk to the Spirit, but only to the Father and our Lord Jesus, the Christ. The charismatic people seek various “spiritual experiences” ---a doctrine and practice that keeps one from the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the Father. 

    The answer you said you got to your question from one on the Internet has some failure, I see. Verses used there are misapplied:  1.“Question: Should we worship the Holy Spirit? Answer: We know that only God should be worshipped. Only God demands worship and only God deserves worship. The question of whether we should worship the Holy Spirit is answered simply by determining whether the Spirit is God”.  This answer neglects the full question by saying: "simply", for it is not just that "the Spirit is God", but whether we are presuming upon God by going beyond Scripture to speak to the “power of God” (Rom.1:16; 1 Pet.1:5), rather than to our Father and to the Lord Jesus as given ---thus reasoning about the Spirit and spiritual things. 

2. “Contrary to the ideas of some cults, the Holy Spirit is not merely a 'force' but a personality. He is referred to in personal terms (John 15:26; 16:7-8; 13-14). He acts as a Being with personality would act—He speaks (1 Tim. 4:1); He loves (Rom. 15:30); He teaches (John 14:26); He intercedes (Rom. 8:26); and so on.”  Bible students know that the Spirit is not just a "force", but is God indwelling a "born again" believer, but is NOT presented as a "person-ality". The Spirit is manifested in man for teaching, conscience, leading, a "comforter", etc., as the power, energy and intelligence of God and a silent worker ---not a "personality" (1 Pet.1:5). We are never told to speak to the Spirit, but only recognize the Father and the Son in us, who are the personalities (note John 14:23). Speculation is a dangerous thing, and is the cause of most bad teachings. 

3. “The Holy Spirit possesses the nature of deity—He shares the attributes of God. He is neither angelic nor human in essence. He is eternal (Heb. 9:14); He is everywhere present (Psa. 139: 7-10); The Spirit is omniscient, i.e., He knows “all things, even the deep things of God” (1 Cor. 2: 10-11); He taught the apostles “all things” (John 14:26); He was involved in the creation process (Gen. 1:2); The Holy Spirit is spoken of in intimate association with both the Father and the Son (Matt. 28:19; John 14:26). As a Person, He can be lied to (Acts 5:3-4); and grieved (Eph. 4:30). Furthermore, some passages in the Old Testament that are attributed to God are applied to the Spirit in the New Testament (see Isa. 6:8, with Acts 28:25, and Ex. 16:7, with Heb. 3:7-9).”   The verses are true, of course, but conclusions from these is the problem. I would not say: "the Holy Spirit possesses the nature of deity", but that HE IS DEITY, and all these verses quoted speak of God in the believer, not that the Spirit is a separate entity to believe. 

4. “A divine Person is worthy of worship. God is ‘worthy of praise’ (Psa. 18:3); God is great and ‘most worthy of praise’ (Psa. 48:1). We are commanded to worship God (Matt. 4:10; Rev. 19:10, 22:9). If, then, the Spirit is deity, the third Person of our triune God, He is worthy of worship. Philippians 3:3 tells us that true believers, those whose hearts have been circumcised, worship God by the Spirit and glory and rejoice in Christ. Here is a beautiful picture of worship of all three members of the Godhead.”   Again we see the error of concluding other ideas from what Scripture says. We do worship God by the Spirit (there is no other way), but one should not single out the Spirit of the Godhead for communion, but speak to the Father and His Son as given. This reasoning above shows the same gross error as in Pentecostalism ---always looking to spirits and personal sensations, and ignoring the Father and Son. Satan loves to get people occupied with the WORKS of the Holy Spirit and forget the Lord, for they then go about looking for a spiritual sensation rather than salvation, obedience, and communion with Jehovah-God.  

5. “Worship is itself a function of the Spirit. Jesus says that we ‘worship in spirit and in truth’ (John 4:24). Those who are spiritual are those who are indwelt by the Spirit who testifies to us that we belong to Him (Rom. 8:16). His presence in our hearts enables us to return worship to Him in the Spirit. We are in Him as He is in us, just as Christ is in the Father and the Father is in us through the Spirit (John 14:20; 17:21).”   The writer keeps repeating the error. The verses are true to the Word, but the conclusions are speculation, and are deceitful ways to draw one away from our Redeemer --the Lord Jesus. Notice that in John 17 the Lord Jesus asks the Father to do certain things for the saints ---not to the Spirit, and the Father does all things for us by His Spirit, but we are never told to try to commune with the Spirit ---only to the Father in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.  

Well, as I stated before, all ref. in Scripture is to speaking to the Son and our Father. The Spirit is God’s presence, and as the silent worker (power) of the Godhead. We should be thankful the Father gives us of His Spirit (Himself) for our care, teaching, leading, and spiritual helps, but our communion is not to be trying to interact with the “power” (Spirit). His work is to bring us to Christ, as we are told also in John 16:7-14. In like manner, we should not be trying to access and worship Angels, as some Christians do, for they are the silent workers of God for our physical safety and care. Both the Catholics and the Pentecostals are always trying to find some other way to approach God, than what He shows us in His beloved Son ---that is not honorable. 

The "communion of the Holy Spirit" is our God always speaking to our heart and conscience and guiding and comforting us along our pathway. It is most precious to know that salvation is not just a legal act of ownership, but the very presence of our redeemer God ---the Father and the Son. 
In summary, the Holy Spirit is God in us (the temple of God). As I have said, He is a silent worker who always directs our mind and heart to the Son. The Spirit is present as part of the Godhead ---and is called "He" because it shows He is God in us.   

Here is a good quote from another paper: "The Holy Spirit is the third personage of the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Jehovah-God is the mind, creator, and originator of all things, and presents Himself to believers as our Father (progenitor); Jesus Christ-God is manifested in the flesh as a savior and redeemer of fallen man, and is Lord over all mankind; the Holy Spirit is the silent worker ---thoughts and power of God working in man for our good. One can see these three manifested in John 14:23, but note that the Spirit is not mentioned ---that is significant. The great wrong in such an idea as promoted by Pentecostals about the Holy Spirit, is to demean the Father and the Lord Jesus, which Satan loves to do. Please see the attached papers for some further ministry on this.

I do not see this matter simply as "a personal thing" to hold (that is how many sects teach errors), though there is such a thing as essential truth and also conscience. If one engages in this in a public or collective way, it seems to be bordering on heresy and I firmly believe is dishonoring to our Lord Jesus. I kind of suspect this is all part of the satanic deceit to draw away souls from worshipping and honoring the Son. Satan never gives up on that! Do not depend upon seeking "more light, vibrancy to prayer", as you mentioned, for then we begin to go beyond Scripture and "imagine vain things" (Acts 4:25). I know we all need to learn more of the Word, and be more earnest and faithful in prayer, and should certainly seek that by more communion with our Lord. The papers I sent may help some on this.

Be assured, dear friend, that if you have fellowship with God-the Father and God-the Son, then you have fellowship with God-the Spirit. Jesus said "...believe Me for the very works sake" (see John 14:5-11 on this). As I have said before: the Holy Spirit is presented to us as "He" - third Person, not as "You" - second Person; or "I" - first Person. This shows me that He is not to be addressed as a personage. We need to remember the Words of our Lord Jesus: "I am with you always". I see it as disrespectful for us to be trying to divide the trinity. It is a bit like my saying I am not speaking to you, but to your brain. I speak to you entirely and by your name.

Now, let me say in closing, friend, I agree "truth is truth", but men don't always apply it as God gives it (and I am not perfect). Keep in mind that the Word of God is truth, and it cannot contradict itself. It must always be in complete harmony. A few poor versions of the Bible do not give the fullness of truth, so I use the Scofield Study Edition of the KJV as more dependable. The nice thing about this is that I see the errors of the KJV (which are few) have been mostly identified in the margins and footnotes. One does not see the errors in the various modern versions of the Bible. I think Scofield made a few errors, but not bad. No translators are perfect. Various modern translators have made an attempt to appeal to modern man and have lost some of the meanings, I see. The JND New Translation of the early 1800's is quite good for cross-reference to meanings; also, the Concise Bible Dictionary, available at Bible Truth Publishers, is an excellent source for understandings. 

Let me know if you have further concerns, dear sister. If you should become interested in a scriptural assembly sometime, I might know of one near to you. Look up always! -RLD: SL07; -08/12


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